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Post by LeftyMeister on May 27, 2022 6:52:21 GMT -5
Michael McDonald
I was listening to Prime Music on shuffle yesterday for a few hours. Early on, Listen to the Music came on. Great song and it had my toe tapping. Later, What a Fool Believes popped up. Eeew! What a disappointing difference! MM took a rockin' band with great songs and turned it into pablum pop. And that voice! He reminded me of a male Stevie Nicks.
I understand Tom Johnston had left and they needed to replace him, but MM was a bad fit for that band.
What other singers/musicians ruined a band when joining it?
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Post by argo on May 27, 2022 10:30:39 GMT -5
You mentioned Stevie Nicks. You can't argue with Fleetwood Macs success, But I loved them before and then got turned off with the pop.
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Post by Lesterstrat on May 27, 2022 10:30:47 GMT -5
Color me disappointed. I figured the number one yahoo according to the Moe’s crowd would be old Oko.
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Post by Lesterstrat on May 27, 2022 10:33:06 GMT -5
For me, Mutt Lange has ruined more bands than any musician that comes to mind.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 27, 2022 10:34:51 GMT -5
Color me disappointed. I figured the number one yahoo according to the Moe’s crowd would be old Oko. You look at the lineup of The Plastic Ono Band and what could've been. Then add, *her*. Like an awesome band with Foster Brooks playing the Theramin. (edited for softer content)
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on May 27, 2022 10:36:30 GMT -5
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on May 27, 2022 11:50:23 GMT -5
The problem is not always a replacement but an original member getting strange ideas, or thinking they are more important that the band as a whole. The music world is filled with these. Internal explosion of ego and limited talent.
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Post by matryx81 on May 27, 2022 12:12:13 GMT -5
You mentioned Stevie Nicks. You can't argue with Fleetwood Macs success, But I loved them before and then got turned off with the pop. This is what I first thought of. When Peter Green left, that band had no appeal for me anymore.
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Post by LeftyMeister on May 27, 2022 12:19:02 GMT -5
Color me disappointed. I figured the number one yahoo according to the Moe’s crowd would be old Oko. I would consider Yoedel as not fitting the criteria of the OP because 1) She is a freak of nature that doesn't fit any reasonable norms and 2) She's not a singer nor musician. For me, Mutt Lange has ruined more bands than any musician that comes to mind. Mutt who? I had to look him up. The problem is not always a replacement but an original member getting strange ideas, or thinking they are more important that the band as a whole. The music world is filled with these. Internal explosion of ego and limited talent. Good point!
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Post by Lesterstrat on May 27, 2022 12:51:45 GMT -5
The problem is not always a replacement but an original member getting strange ideas, or thinking they are more important that the band as a whole. The music world is filled with these. Internal explosion of ego and limited talent. Ritchie Blackmore!
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Post by rickyguitar on May 27, 2022 13:11:04 GMT -5
I too thought thus would be a Stevie Nicks wrecking Fleetwood Mac thread. Around here we call her the goat woman cause she sounds a bit like a goat. Yeah, I know that's kinda mean to goats. I like MM way better than the goat woman. 🐐 👩.
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Post by K4 on May 27, 2022 14:51:41 GMT -5
Mutt Lange has ruined more bands than any musician that comes to mind. Can't argue the success he had, HTH and BIB come to mind, I hate the over processing.
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Post by Leftee on May 27, 2022 15:32:14 GMT -5
Mutt was “the deal” back in the day. Things like that don’t always stand the test of time.
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Post by Larry Madsen on May 27, 2022 16:36:08 GMT -5
My understanding is Mutt made DefLepard what they became …. Very popular band.
Did a lot of great hits for Shania.
I think the Doobies had more big hits with McDonald than before.
I would have to ask, which is more important to a professional musician? My personal preference or World wide success on a grand scale.
My understanding is Tommy Shaw wanted to be a hard rocker. But Dennis DeYoung made Styx a top of the charts pop radio band to the point that hard rock never became any kind of priority.
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Post by langford on May 27, 2022 17:19:07 GMT -5
The problem is not always a replacement but an original member getting strange ideas, or thinking they are more important that the band as a whole. The music world is filled with these. Internal explosion of ego and limited talent. That's the story of CCR (x3), as I understand it.
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Post by LeftyMeister on May 28, 2022 7:54:29 GMT -5
I would have to ask, which is more important to a professional musician? My personal preference or World wide success on a grand scale. My understanding is Tommy Shaw wanted to be a hard rocker. But Dennis DeYoung made Styx a top of the charts pop radio band to the point that hard rock never became any kind of priority. When a band goes from Fooling Yourself to Babe, some modicum of professional integrity has been lost.
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Post by modbus on May 28, 2022 11:22:27 GMT -5
Jeanine Pettibone ruined Spinal Tap for a while, she ran off the lead guitarist and band manager, and wanted them to wear animal costumes, for cryin' out loud.
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Post by Lesterstrat on May 28, 2022 11:34:15 GMT -5
Naturally, matters such as these fall squarely into the category of "Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder". With that said, I'll bet old Greg Rolie thinks Steve Perry ruined Journey, whether he'd admit it or not.
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Post by Lesterstrat on May 28, 2022 11:35:32 GMT -5
Another one that comes to mind for me is Axle Rose.
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Post by K4 on May 28, 2022 17:40:04 GMT -5
Another one that comes to mind for me is Axle Rose. Hah!, he ruined AC/DC....... But they got Brian back. Still miss Bon.
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Post by LeftyMeister on May 29, 2022 7:24:49 GMT -5
I'll bet old Greg Rolie thinks Steve Perry ruined Journey, whether he'd admit it or not. I thought of him too but, IMHO, Perry had one of the best voices in the business and was a decent songwriter. He did have some sappy songs but also some great rockers. Many would say Sammy Hagar ruined VanHalen. I lost interest after the second release so I'm not qualify to say either way.
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Post by budg on May 30, 2022 5:42:13 GMT -5
McDonald would be my first choice in trashing a band for sure . Hated their poppy stuff , but they were such a great rock band before. China Grove and Long Train Running were their best stuff. As far as Fleetwood Mac , they weren’t all that popular when Peter Green was with them , but when Nicks/Buckingham came on board they became a household name . Blues wasnt a big draw back then and FM wasnt the first artist to go from Blues to rock/ pop to become successful. See also Steve Miller. In the case of McDonald joining the Doobies , they were already a well established band with a string of hits . He needed them more than they needed him imo.
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Post by Lesterstrat on May 30, 2022 9:05:55 GMT -5
Here's one I just thought of... I don't recall his name, but how about the keyboard cat that .38 Special brought in to give them more of a pop sound.
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Post by Leftee on May 30, 2022 14:39:04 GMT -5
I think the obvious answer is… all those who went through the Yardbirds.
Obviously the band didn’t survive.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on May 30, 2022 16:31:28 GMT -5
Ringo.
Bring back Pete Best!
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Post by budg on May 30, 2022 19:41:05 GMT -5
Ringo. Bring back Pete Best! Heck , bring back Tony Sheridan too !
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Post by matryx81 on May 30, 2022 23:10:30 GMT -5
When a band goes from Fooling Yourself to Babe, some modicum of professional integrity has been lost. Starting off as a lousy imitation of progressive rock doesn't help either. Many would say Sammy Hagar ruined VanHalen. I lost interest after the second release so I'm not qualify to say either way. For a long time I thought this, but the way the music went was probably worse. From a singing standpoint, Hagar was better than DLR (and I am huge fan of DLR Van Halen). I'll bet old Greg Rolie thinks Steve Perry ruined Journey, whether he'd admit it or not. Within the last few years or so, I gave those first 3 Journey albums a brief listen. The song Anyway really stuck out to me. Too bad they didn't continue in that type of vein.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on May 31, 2022 7:22:52 GMT -5
I'll bet old Greg Rolie thinks Steve Perry ruined Journey, whether he'd admit it or not. Many would say Sammy Hagar ruined VanHalen. I lost interest after the second release so I'm not qualify to say either way. I've always thought DLR was a better studio vocalist, but he sucked....beyond sucked, he ruined VH live. He got so snot slinging drunk that the rest of the band didn't even bother trying. The tour on that first album was atrocious. Sammy didn't sound as good on studio recordings, but he was good in concert and kinda pushed everyone else to step up and make the concerts more than a drunken disaster. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Neal Peart. Rush was so much better with Rutsey. I'm kidding of course.
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Post by matryx81 on May 31, 2022 9:26:53 GMT -5
According to an old roadie in the Kiss touring history book, Paul Stanley seemed to think that.
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Post by Lesterstrat on Jun 1, 2022 6:23:07 GMT -5
Turned on the tube this morning and the first thing I saw was Scott Stapp’s mug. Now, there’s a cat that ruined his band. I was never a fan of them, but he certainly ruined the good thing they had going.
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